Update - March 12, 2009
GREETINGS and WELCOME to more than 150 new subscribers,
who have recently joined the thousands of active
participants receiving Take A Stand! email updates!
Over the past month I have been traveling and
presenting our Take A Stand! seminars across the country.
Over the next three weeks I will be in Minnesota, Missouri, Iowa and Washington
and hope to see you in a church or conference sometime soon! I want to
say thanks so much for praying for our ministry and family as we fulfill
the calling on our lives. We are
indeed grateful for your love and financial support as well.
As I promised our readers, here below I have chosen a few
emails from the nearly 500 I received after writing about Obama, Rick
Warren, and Isa, the Qur'anic Jesus, which Dr. Warren mentioned (just
after quoting the Bible and the Qu'ran simultaneously) in the prayer
he offered at the Presidential Inauguration back on January 20th. For
our new readers or anyone who needs to get up to speed on these issues,
you'll find a menu here with links to several of my recent email updates
as well. (Note that the sample of letters I picked here is a good
sampling of the diversity of comments we received.) I've also included a couple of other pertinent letters here,
including two important ones concerning "The Shack."
RADIO, SATURDAY, MARCH 14
First though, I want to mention that this coming
Saturday morning I will be Jan Markell's guest for two hours on Olive
Tree Ministries' radio program, "Understanding the Times." Jan is
headquartered in the Minneapolis area and airs live in several cities
but everyone can listen either live from 9-11am CST or get the two hour
podcast which will be archived on her website by late Monday night the16th.
Our topics this Saturday are going to be "How to Spot the
Emergent Church in Your Church" and a biblical
examination of Paul Young's book, The Shack. Set a
reminder for yourself and be sure and tune in "live" or download the
To listen to "Understanding the Times" live
To get a station list for
"Understanding the Times"
Past Ministry Updates: (partial
March 2008 - DVD Special
January 22 - More details on Rick Warren and Obama
January 21 - Just When I Thought I Could Say "Amen"...
January 17 - Let's Review - What was that about Rick Warren anyway?
December 30, 2008 - What You Said About Warren and Obama
December 27, 2008 - Rick Warren Should Have Rejected Obama's Offer
Death of Discernment - How The Shack
Became the #1 Bestseller in Christianity"
August 15, 2008 - "The Errors of the Emergent Church"
August 7, 2008 - "Evangelical Meltdown - Islam and Christianity at Yale"
OBAMA, WARREN and ISA
Isn't Essa or Isa just Arabic for Jesus? That is
what I find on the Internet. Not that Rick Warren was crossing the line.
If you are mad about that then why aren't you angry that he used Yeshua?
It is Hebrew and Jews don't believe Jesus is the Messiah for the most
part. I think we have enough people trying to cause division why would
you want to stir up more dislike or fear of Muslims? I am a Christian
and admit to be fearful or leery of Muslims. My brother has gone to Iraq.
So please explain to me your call to fear.
- Kathy (Canada)
I appreciate you writing.
Let me try and clarify once again.
I am assuming that you understand how doctrinally splintered the
American/Canadian evangelical church is in general over the teachings
and practices of Rick Warren. Many of us, myself included, opposed any
involvement by any authentic Christian with Obama in the first place.
Many people who do not understand defending the faith (apologetics)
think we are just picking on Warren. However, the truth is, he is
teaching heretical doctrine. Anyone who teaches (as he does) that
repentance is not vital for salvation is leading people astray and
weakening the Faith.
For examples, please see:
http://www.ericbarger.com/emailers/2009/update1-17-2009.htm and my
30 page paper which included 11 failings of the Purpose Driven
Concerning Islam...the point I am making is that Warren (with others at
Yale University) has publically proclaimed that Muslims and Christians
the same God. Since Allah is not Jehovah and only the god of Mohammed's
own Quarish tribe (symbolized by the crescent and star and one of over
350 gods worshiped in 7th century Mecca) then wouldn't you say that
Warren has a huge problem connecting the two as one? This is nothing
short of a building block towards the amalgamation of Antichrist's
future one-world religion spoken of in Revelation 13.
About Isa... See:
author of this article wrote me last weekend. I am underlining a couple
of statements that are pertinent to the discussion of Isa, etc
I agree with most of what you said, particularly,
Allah of the Quran is a distortion of the true God
and the Isa of the Quran is a distortion of the true Jesus.
I only pointed out that Isa NEVER was the Arabic name for Jesus
before Muhammad came along. Isa is not the Arabic name for Jesus,
it is the Quranic name for Jesus.
The Christians never used Isa but Yasu'
which is the proper equivalent of the Hebrew Yeshua.
That is not only a minor technical quibble.
There were Arab Christians before Muhammad.
Why does Muhammad not use the established Arabic name for Jesus
but changes it to something else? --- disconnecting his quranic Jesus
from the Jesus of the historical Arabic speaking church?
When Rick Warren uses Isa instead of Yasu, he does not only
bow to the Muslims, seeking to appease them, he also distances himself
from the Arab Christians. He submits to the Muslims and alienates
his Arab Christian brothers.
Moreover, "Isa" is not a proper Arabic word at all.
It has no meaning in Arabic.
It merely is the name that Muhammad pushed on Jesus
(for whatever reason). I present the various possible explanations
of how this name may have come about in my article.
Also Kathy, please see Jochen's article at
http://www.answering-islam.org/index.html for more.
NOTE: Several contrary emailers have
suggested that I failed to follow the commands of Matthew 18 concerning
my opposition to Rick Warren's teaching and philosophy. However, before
ever speaking out publically, I tried repeatedly to contact Rick Warren
in hopes of opening dialog. I have never so much as received an email or
fax reply from one of his assistants - let alone, Dr. Warren.
I can't tell you how much your email has touched me. I know for sure
with your knowledge you are truly being led by the Holy Spirit. For you
to take the time and address all my questions is amazing, and I thank
you so much.
God is using you to prepare us for these coming years/days, before the
rapture. I respect you and admire your honesty and heart. I don't know
you, but through this email you sent, God opened my heart to you and
your ministry. I have learned to test and see if what a person or
minister is saying is their true heart or just words Satan uses.
God says in the last days even the very elect will be deceived. That is
so true and Satan is using people like Rick Warren to help do that.
Course, if Christians would read and study the Word of God they would be
able to discern better.
Thank you for all the time you spend in research and studying the Word
of God and then reaching out to all of us to warn of the heretics.
God Bless you and your family and ministry, and I pray protection,
wisdom, discernment, and Divine knowledge over you.
I'm sick and tired of you
spending my time putting Rick down. He is a man of G and the Bible
speaks against people touching God's anointed. I've gone through the
Purpose driven life and read the book cover of why he wrote it. I am
better prepared to face what God has for me because of it. You take
things out of content and build a grip against him. Please use your
money and people's time better. Go against new Age, Morman, Jehovah
Witness and such. If k made a mistake in his prayer, pray for him.
Downing him all the time is not doing you or him any good. You are
making money by character assanation. You can stop emailing me. I have
better things to do than to read how bad Rick is in your opion. god
bless you and guide you.
Rev. Georgiia Anne (internet)
This is my last Email to you Anne. But
first, I beg you to just ponder two things.
Are you prepared to tell friends, family and strangers that they do not
need to repent to be saved? That's what Warren taught by completely
ignoring repentance from sin in The Purpose Driven Life. I
am not the only person saying this you know?
Second, are you prepared to tell friends, family and strangers that
Allah is actually Jehovah God? Warren signed a paper stating this at
Yale University and has actively promoted this. I have documentation on
my website concerning this. His position is certainly verging on
The most hideous error in the Church in the end days will be that which
leads the most astray by subtle means.
Leaders like John MacArthur, David Wilkerson, Noah Hutchings, James R.
Spencer, Brannon Howse, Jan Markell and many more are all exposing
Warren and calling on him to repent and for his supporters to realize
what is happening.
I cannot be silent. If I am the only one speaking up, I must speak up.
If the Gospel is under attack from inside the Church it must be exposed.
Anybody who denies the Five Fundamentals of the Faith as Warren did in
2005 is not fit to preach the Gospel. If he were a deacon, that alone
would be enough to disqualify him from leadership in most any Bible
I hope you reevaluate your position and then base your opinions on
Scripture and not the teachings of any man.
We are watching these very things take place...
II Timothy 3:1-7 - This know also, that in the last days perilous times
shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous,
boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful,
unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5Having a form
of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For
of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly
women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and
never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
II Timothy 4:1-5 - I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus
Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his
kingdom; 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,
rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will
come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts
shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they
shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto
fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work
of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
II Peter 2:1 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even
as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in
damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring
upon themselves swift destruction.
Acts 20:28-31 (The Apostle Paul stated) - Take heed therefore unto
yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath
made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased
with his own blood. 29For I know this, that after my departing shall
grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30Also of
your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away
disciples after them(selves). 31Therefore watch...
In the power of the Gospel in Jesus Christ,
"THE SHACK, UNIVERSALISM
I listened to you on Southwest Ministries radio
and also have concerns about The Shack. You said it took a year for
writers to remove the "Universalist" ideas. In one interview I read,
Young denies universalism and says some have an agenda to imply it's in
his book. Where did you get your info that universalism had to be
written out of his book and what proof do you have that he is a
- James (California)
What you have asked about is all documented in my 80 minute DVD on the
topic ("The Death of Discernment"). I have uncovered a bunch more info
since the making of the DVD last month too. I will share some of it in
my next newsletter.
Here are the sources:
First, I met with Wm "Paul" Young personally before shooting the DVD.
Young continues to parse terms by volunteering (most of the time without
ever being asked about it) that he is "not a Universalist." He is
obviously nervous about the Christian world becoming convinced of any
such thing, though in a web page which answers his critics one of his
editors, Wayne Jacobson, acknowledges that Young had previously embraced
a form of Universalism known as "universal reconciliation” and that it
indeed was throughout the original manuscript. (Jacobson refers to it as
"ultimate reconciliation" to avoid using the dreaded "U" word,
Jacobson site states:
Does The Shack promote Ultimate Reconciliation (UR)?
It does not. While some of that was in earlier versions because of the
author's partiality at the time to some aspects of what people call UR,
I made it clear at the outset that I didn't embrace UR as sound teaching
and didn't want to be involved in a project that promoted it. In my view
UR is an extrapolation of Scripture to humanistic conclusions about our
Father's love that has to be forced on the biblical text.
Since I don’t believe in UR and wholeheartedly embrace the finished
product, I think those who see UR here, either positively or negatively
are reading into the text. To me that was the beauty of the
It is obvious that Young, Jacobson and partner Brad Cummings, all have a
great deal to lose by not doing their best to debunk the book's critics.
They are very aware of where Young was theologically when he wrote the
book. And that is the point isn't it? The book and soon-to-be-movie are
what is being criticized.
I happen to like Paul Young as a person but cannot be swayed by my human
feelings toward him. However, I can tell you after sitting in several
hours of lectures and Q&A sessions at Paul Young's meetings he is doing
a very careful dance around the word "Universalism."
In the very beginning, I began to smell universalism in The Shack by
simply reading it. However, after digging a bit I found a very scholarly
paper by Dr. James DeYoung who was a member of the M3 Forum (a
theological discussion group or "think tank") with Paul Young for
Dr. DeYoung is a Ph. D and conservative professor at Western Seminary in
Portland, OR. He has taught there for over thirty years and is fluent in
Greek and Hebrew and also teaches an elective on the Church Fathers. He
is well equipped to expose Universalism from both an intellectual and
historical perspective. He has published a lengthy, documented and very
thorough paper on the bountiful amount of universalism found in The
Shack which can be found at:
After having Young tell me face to face that he was not a universalist,
I asked him about Dr. DeYoung's paper. He bristled at me and made
several accusations about DeYoung which I now understand to be
unfounded. Since the meeting with Paul Young I have met personally with
Dr. DeYoung for four hours. I can best describe the info he shared with
me personally as "shocking stuff." Much of what he described was first
hand knowledge of Young's beliefs that emanated from their joint
involvement in the M3 Forum. Because of being challenged over his
heretical ideas and his unorthodox
beliefs, Young left the group and cut off all contact with Dr. DeYoung several years ago.
Looking back on my personal encounter with Paul Young, I wish I had
asked him "Are you now or have you ever been a reconciling
universalist?" (If you are not familiar with the difference between the two,
universalism says that all religions lead to the same place where as
reconciling universalists believe that all men (read that "ALL") are
already saved because of Jesus work on the cross, thus there is no
penalty for sin, no hell and no need to accept Christ and repent of
one's sins.) This is very obviously what Young believed when he wrote
The Shack and whether he believes it today or not you can be
fairly certain that with millions of dollars at risk he is not going to
re-edit The Shack to try and make theological corrections
- without an act of God. Again, it is not even what Young may believe
today that is in question. It is what is contained in The Shack
that we are concerned with and as you are probably aware,
universalism is not the only glaring problem in the books treatment of
issues such as salvation, the identity of God, the trinity, etc.
If you would like a complete treatise on Universalism it can be found in
"Universalism: Is Everyone Already Saved?" and
"The Death of Discernment/Shack."
Both of these DVDs are available in the
online bookstore at
Feel free to share anything from our newsletter or website with whomever
the Lord directs you to. Thanks for your continued prayers and support.
God Bless you!
THE SHACK DEFENDERS
RE: Your video "The
Death of Discernment: How The Shack Became the #1 Bestseller in
The death of
discernment is right. Your discernment. Exactly as you said,
"fictional". Another gospel? Are you joking? You just called it
fictional. It is a fictional novel. If it claimed to be a gospel we
shouldn't read it. Like the book of mormon. But IT DOESN'T. The only one
calling it another gospel IS YOU! You trump it up so you can get some
face time on a popular topic.
- Joshua (From Tangle, formerly GodTube)
RE: Your Comments about my video "The Death
of Discernment" at:
Paul Young believes in and teaches Universal
Reconciliation. He believes that EVERYONE is ALREADY saved. I have heard
him speak three times and researched The Shack
extensively. He also believes Patripassianism - an ancient heresy which
states that God the Father suffers and dies on the Cross with Jesus
(p. 95 of The Shack). I also heard Young teach this at a
pastor's luncheon at Warner Pacific College in Portland, Oregon, Oct 13,
When those with heretical views are given such prominence, they often
use their fame to preach unorthodox, heretical and even cultic doctrines
and ideas. Such is the case with Paul Young and this is a serious
problem. I remained shocked that any good church or Bible college, such
as Taylor University in Edmonton, Canada are so ready to jump on his
bandwagon and give him a platform and worse, credibility.
If you don't suppose the dozens of errors in doctrine he presents are
problematic, then I suggest you pray and seek God about having a higher
regard for the Scriptures. Perhaps you haven't been in the Church long
enough to realize the mess that Evangelicals are in concerning doctrine,
truth and discernment. The very fact that Paul Young's book has gained
such fame and acceptance among Christians signals that truth and the
Bible are of little consequence to many calling themselves Christians
Paul Young isn't the real problem. His popularity is but a symptom that
the Church is in deep trouble today.
Some of you "Shack Defenders" need to get your Bibles open and then
check out some of these resources before you defend either Paul Young's
theology or The Shack itself. Since I don't figure you are about to buy
my video (which includes dozens of quotes from The Shack
and Scripture to back up my concerns), here is a menu of information
containing articles and audio files that may prove eye-opening if you
dare examine the truth.
Access the menu
A VOICE AGAINST "THE WORLD"
I hope this message reaches you and finds you well. I would like to
thank you for the work that Lord has allowed you to do being a voice
against the way "the world thinks" I have read your books and watched
your videos and they have helped me to find the right things to say to
those who come up against my beliefs as a Christian. I hope that more
people come up and defend the faith as you have done in the past years.
P.S. I hope to see you in Peoria at the Christian Workers Conference.
- Geordan (Illinois)
ARIS Survey 2009
The American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) is a survey
conducted by researchers at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.
One of the most revealing facts found in this survey is found in the
statement below. It shows the toll that spiritual liberalism in its various
forms has taken on the once-biblically strong mainline denominations.
"The increase in people labeling themselves in more generic Christian
terms corresponds strongly with the decline in people identifying
themselves as Protestant, the survey found. People calling themselves
mainline Protestants, including Methodists and Lutherans, have dropped
to 13 percent of the population, down from 19 percent in 1990. The
number of people who describe themselves as generically "Protestant"
went from approximately 17 million in 1990 to 5 million."
Washington Post, March 9, 2009
Those who call themselves "Evangelicals" need to beware. Satan has us in
his sights. We are now the target of Emergent liberalism, Open Theism and
several other heresies. The big question is - will we follow liberalism
or will we follow the Bible?
The Emergent Church -
from Jim Spencer
My friend, author
Jim Spencer, offers
information on Mormonism and the Cults. His latest newsletter is on The
Emergent Church. It is a great read and spot on. Good Job, Jim!
Emergent article here
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